Saturday, May 13, 2006

How about Reciprocity?

ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ for one believes in reciprocity and experience with Mexico's policy in dealing with immigrants is definitely worthy of consideration.


From the other side of the fence.....This is from Tom O'Malley, who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City:

"I spent five years working in Mexico. I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. Working after that, would be working illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks, while waiting on the FM3 approval

During that six months, our Mexican and US attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport, and I had to show it each time I entered and left the country. My wife, Barbara's, was the same except hers did not permit her to work.
To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized
originals (not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificate for Barbara and me.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The St. Louis Chief of Police indicatingthat I had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good standing."
7. Finally, I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write.

All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on the right.

Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican attorney. Touring Mexican Government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location (we remember at least four locations) we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the Government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out $4,000 in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done, we could legally bring in our household goods that
were held by US customs in Laredo Texas. This meant that we had to rent furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here, which the company paid.

We could not buy a home; we were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law.

We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our headquarters location with their photography and fingerprint equipment and the
laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a $6.00 fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back.

We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The company's Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty legal size pages annually.
The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.

Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying that we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs.

It was a real adventure! If any of the US Senators or Congressman had to go through it once, they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.

The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White house or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas."

The last paragraph above is particularly worthy of consideration.



Hope said...

Perfect example of hypocracey
The common Mexician however does not make up these rules. They flee from them.

ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

The only "hypocrisy" is that of the collectivist/leftists of the U.S. "dhimmicrats". ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ is of the opinion that the immigration policies of Mexico should be adopted and enforced by the U.S.

Wadical said...

The Mexicans are running, alright...but not from their immigration laws. The fact that our immigration laws suck just gives them some place to run to. Our borders must be protected. We have our dukes up ready to fight terrorism...but that southern border is like our big naked ass all bent over! BOHICA.

Wadical said...

Speaking of Military forces, I'm not too sure I'm comfortable with the military taking on the responsibility of or even augmenting a civilian law enforcement force. Civilian law enforcement is one very central and important piece of the freedom puzzle. Although it's bad enough for me to want to say..."Whatever it takes."...soldiers enforcing the law of the land makes me a little....uncomfortable.

ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

I agree wadical but what is happening along the southern border qualifies as an invasion and as such falls under article VIII of the Constitution.

Fred Mangels said...

Someone brought up the point, somewhere else, that the National Guard will only be in a support role for this operation. They suggested that might do a whole lot and would be a waster of resources.

They also suggested a volunteer group, like the Minutemen, might work for those same support roles.

That hadn't occured to me and I thought it a point well made.

The main problem with such a plan would be the logistics of organizing and training such a force in a functional time frame. Another problem being the problem some people have with a volunteer force taking on the duties of "professionals".

It may never fly, but I thought it was an idea looking into.

Wadical said...

Hey, still alive?

ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

Yep, still alive but sunburned and keenly aware of the aging process.